what's different about china is the scope. like in our report, the 141 victims, we're just a small company. 300 people. and yet we had visibility and 141 vices across the 20 -- victims across the 20 industries. literally thousands of thousands of files of drawings and plans and r&d research leaving these companies. we don't and nor do any of our allies that we know of, hack for the benefit of our economy or for the benefit of the industries within our countries. >> bill: president obama -- i remember -- and bob you -- first year in office, john harwood from cnbc was interviewing him. he said what keeps you up at night. what's the one problem that maybe you hadn't anticipated keeps you up. he said cyber security. i went whoa. i never heard anybody use that word before. so he's been on this and aware of this for a long time. i don't know, dan but the president did put forth a program or a plan or some executive action early on to deal with this. has that had any impact, dan? >> we've seen an escalation in attacks over the last t